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Re: The ACC Championship Game: Florida State vs. Duke

Postby CK86 » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:08 pm

CK86 wrote:Don't worry, Winston will get arrested this week, Duke will pull off the upset and be playing in a BCS bowl game. Team of destiny, believe!
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby SeanMayTriedToEatMe » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:11 am

That promo ESPN keeps showing is getting me slightly more than dead about this game. I don't want to believe. Bigger upsets happen every year or two, though. I'd be satisfied if FSU leads by 20 by the end of the 1st quarter because I'd get to stop watching.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dukeberto » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:39 am

Had a dream last night that Winston was arrested before the game and that we beat the hell out of FSU. Had a similar dream before the Miami game. Makes me feel a lot better about sitting in the rain in Charlotte on Saturday.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby CK86 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:51 pm

Hulk Hogan picked Duke to win. Whatcha gonna do when Hulkamania (Duke) run wild on you!?!
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby CK86 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:35 pm

Those accusations against Winston in the search warrant seem pretty sketchy to me. After seeing that, I don't know how you would get a conviction.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby DrKlahn » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:02 pm



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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby bfactor » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:45 pm

Goosebumps.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby DrKlahn » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:48 pm

And they are painting over "Carolina", so this couldn't be any better.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby DukeNukem05 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:17 pm

Picked up my tickets at lunchtime.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby Pantone287 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:02 pm

I'm probably not going to go now because I'm mildly sick and want to get healthy for the next few weeks. **** me. Hate myself so much.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dkst0426 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:10 pm

Plenty of upper deck seats still available on StubHub. Cheaper on Duke side, too. And I hear there's a free Chick-Fil-A sandwich to go with the ticket. Urgh, really wish I could be there.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dukeberto » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:04 pm

So are any if you fools in Charlotte tonight or tomorrow? Just got in and staying a couple of blocks from the stadium
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby CK86 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:33 am

Wish I could go, planning on taking off work early and getting drunk while watching a Duke victory!
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby Thain » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:23 am

GAME DAY! SHOCK THE WORLD DUKE!
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby rhfarmer » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:29 am

What do you say if you are Cutcliffe leading up to this game? How do you get your players to believe for one second that they can beat FSU?
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dkst0426 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:09 am

rhfarmer wrote:What do you say if you are Cutcliffe leading up to this game? How do you get your players to believe for one second that they can beat FSU?

Wonder if they've watched "Miracle" at all this week.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dukeberto » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:09 am

"You have to give them something to believe in, you have to be the hope"

The alternative? Something like, "we aren't the team duke fans deserve, but the one they need" (copyright Gary Oldman)
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dkst0426 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:47 am

Really nice segment.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby Thain » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:05 am

It is like I told someone this morning. History is littered with stories of David beating Goliath. Miracle on Ice, Duke/UNLV, App St/Michigan are just a few of these instances. This game isn't won in the papers, by the media or the naysayers. It is won on the field. Duke has been proving the naysayers wrong all damn year. This team has already written itself into the history books but think of the story, the legacy, they could leave behind by finding a way to win this game. Our kids kids will be telling the story of this Duke team if they can pull this off. Win or lose I am damn proud of this team. They have changed a culture.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby physicsfactor » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:57 pm

An FSU grad I know has been talking **** to me the last few days about this game. Lol, why?? Makes me want to find Gardner-Webb fans and start some **** about our next basketball game.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby aiw » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:15 pm

Lhys showing up in chat talking about incompletions and interceptions brought us luck in the UNC game. I hope he shows up tonight.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby rhfarmer » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:22 pm

I did not know that this was the Dr. Paul Epper ACC Championship Game
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby ZackM » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:40 pm

rhfarmer wrote:I did not know that this was the Dr. Paul Epper ACC Championship Game


That dude is loaded.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby bfactor » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:43 pm

aiw wrote:Lhys showing up in chat talking about incompletions and interceptions brought us luck in the UNC game. I hope he shows up tonight.

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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dkst0426 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:02 pm

DOES DUKE PLAY FOOTBALL?
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby bfactor » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:04 pm

YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT DUKE PLAYS FOOTBALL
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby Pantone287 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:26 am

Here's my main reasoning for why I don't think it was exactly an indefensible decision to punt on 4th and 3 in the 2nd quarter. In our last 5 drives at that point, including the current one, we'd had 5 three-and-outs. On those 15 plays, we'd gained a grand total of 16 yards. Out of those 15 plays during our last 5 possessions, exactly one went for 3 yards or more.

So, was there anything about how we were playing that indicated we had a decent shot at getting it on that particular play? And even if we had, what are the chances we even get another first down, not to mention 40 more yards? Normally, I'd agree we have to go for it, but I trust that Cut knows his team and don't really have a problem with trying to pin them back and escape the first half within striking distance in this case.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby aiw » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:28 am

The reason I disagree is that I think a 2 score game with FSU getting the ball is not within striking distance in this game, especially the way the offense was playing. There was no guarantee we'd ever be back on their side of the field again.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby Pantone287 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:38 am

If that's the case, then we're screwed either way, in all likelihood. If you're the HC though, I think you have to believe that your sweet halftime adjustments and motivational skills at least have the potential to get things going better than they had been for the last few possessions. Otherwise, might as well just give up.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby Pantone287 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:42 am

I'm probably overly JCDing Cutcliffe a little because I'm in a glass case of emotion. I just don't think he deserves as much grief as he was getting for what I consider at least a moderately defensible decision.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby dkst0426 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:05 am



Heather Cox: out of line? She's getting ripped left right center for it.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby rome8180 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:20 am

bfactor wrote:
aiw wrote:Lhys showing up in chat talking about incompletions and interceptions brought us luck in the UNC game. I hope he shows up tonight.

It's all about taints. We rely on taints.


Sorry, guys. This is my fault. I've got some taint pics I'll bring to the bowl game chat.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby rhfarmer » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:13 am

Thoughts from the result. Duke can play with the big boys for 15 minutes. That's really not too bad. There is a huge gulf between the FSU's and OSU's and Bama's of the college football world and the Dukes. However, that gulf was 70-7 a few years back, and now it's only 45-7.

Duke has made huge strides to get to the point where they are competitive against 90% of the college football landscape. Being competitive against that last 10% is probably as or more difficult than getting competitive against the first 90%.

Duke can be the best football program in North Carolina, IMO. I think that's the next reasonable goal. Then they can try and parlay that into being the east coast Stanford, a fringe contender on the national stage. If Duke can be to FSU what Stanford is to Oregon, it would be an amazing achievement. IMO, there is more incentive to play at Duke and potentially go to bowl games every year than to play at Vandy and get the **** kicked out of you every weekend. And if you can keep the east coast 3 and 4 stars from going to Stanford and Vandy (and Wake and Uva) and mine some talent from Charlotte, you're going to be really really good.

For instance, this year, Stanford has 3 east coast three star commitments and they still have offers out to a slew for east coast four and five stars. They are recruiting in Georgia, Florida and New Jersey private schools. Duke can scarf up some of these guys. Vandy already has 6 four star commitments, 5 of whom are from the east coast. Those guys probably aren't going to a bowl because they have to win 4-5 conference games against Georgia, Alabama, etc.

If Duke can keep it's current trajectory, maybe in 4 or 5 years they are routinely beating VPI, UNC and GIT, are regularly competitive against Miami and Clemson and at least get FSU's blood flowing. That's a program that can win 8-10 games a year and maybe catch fire every five years or so and go to a big bowl.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby DrKlahn » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:00 am

Agree. I give very little thought to the final score in this game because I think one way or another it was always going to end up that way. That has nothing to do with Duke and everything to do with FSU (and the fact that the gap between elite and decent teams is, as you say, just as big as the gap between the decent teams and what Duke used to be).

Either we were going to get rolled from the opening kick and make up some ground later, or we were going to fight and keep it even for a while and get rolled later. I'm glad it was the latter.
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Re: The ACC Championship Game: #1 Florida State vs. Duke

Postby DurhamSon » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:10 pm

rhfarmer wrote:Thoughts from the result. Duke can play with the big boys for 15 minutes. That's really not too bad. There is a huge gulf between the FSU's and OSU's and Bama's of the college football world and the Dukes. However, that gulf was 70-7 a few years back, and now it's only 45-7.

Duke has made huge strides to get to the point where they are competitive against 90% of the college football landscape. Being competitive against that last 10% is probably as or more difficult than getting competitive against the first 90%.

Duke can be the best football program in North Carolina, IMO. I think that's the next reasonable goal. Then they can try and parlay that into being the east coast Stanford, a fringe contender on the national stage. If Duke can be to FSU what Stanford is to Oregon, it would be an amazing achievement. IMO, there is more incentive to play at Duke and potentially go to bowl games every year than to play at Vandy and get the **** kicked out of you every weekend. And if you can keep the east coast 3 and 4 stars from going to Stanford and Vandy (and Wake and Uva) and mine some talent from Charlotte, you're going to be really really good.

For instance, this year, Stanford has 3 east coast three star commitments and they still have offers out to a slew for east coast four and five stars. They are recruiting in Georgia, Florida and New Jersey private schools. Duke can scarf up some of these guys. Vandy already has 6 four star commitments, 5 of whom are from the east coast. Those guys probably aren't going to a bowl because they have to win 4-5 conference games against Georgia, Alabama, etc.

If Duke can keep it's current trajectory, maybe in 4 or 5 years they are routinely beating VPI, UNC and GIT, are regularly competitive against Miami and Clemson and at least get FSU's blood flowing. That's a program that can win 8-10 games a year and maybe catch fire every five years or so and go to a big bowl.



I agree that pretty much seems like the ceiling for the program. We definitely need to make it a priority to reach a point where east coast academic kids aren't leaving the seaboard for Stanford. Like you said, that alone is enough to keep us from being a joke every year, though I think 8-10 wins is a little too optimistic, though as long as Cut keeps continuity going I can see anywhere from 5-8 being doable given our OOC scheduling. I think of us similar to a mid major basketball program that's never going to get the top talent coming out of high school, but at least can be competitive via continuity -- having tons of junior and senior starters EVERY YEAR.
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