torontoduke
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Verve is the word.
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SignUp Now!I watched two Reddish games last night. Not exactly a full sample, but I see what people mean by his "disappearing." I don't actually think it comes from laziness. He gave good defensive and rebounding effort, and he was bringing the ball up the floor every time. But he was very quick to get rid of the ball when he had it. In general, he didn't attack off the dribble nearly as much as someone of his talent level should.
The good part is he doesn't force anything. I just am not sure if he should be our alpha option. Even Ingram had Allen. And in fact, Reddish's play reminds me most of Ingram on the Lakers.
I suggest that people who think he and Barrett are comparable watch games of both. I think it would be ideal if we landed Barrett and made him option #1. Reddish seems content to take open threes and push occasionally in transition. He may be our first top 5 prospect with 17% usage.
Sounds like he would be an excellent 3rd scoring option in Duke's offense behind Barrett and Jones.
Jones ain't scoring more than 10 points per game as a freshman, if that. Tre does a few things better than Tyus, mainly on the defensive end of the floor, but Tre is not on Tyus's level offensively. I find it very hard to believe that Jones would be a second option at Duke when he's got average size, is an average athlete and can't shoot. Trent would fit so nicely with Barrett and Reddish. If not, and Duke lands Garland, I guarantee that if Garland starts, he averages more PPG than Jones.
Yeah, have you not watched Jones since he took his big leap this last year? He could put up 30 when he needed to. The three-point shooting is definitely the biggest issue. But if we don't land Barrett, who do you expect to be the second scoring option?
At any rate, Reddish as option #1 doesn't seem great either. I will say that Coach K is pretty good at getting players to be more offensively aggressive though. So maybe he'll bring that out of him.
Your comment about the need for 'coaching up' Cam's level of offensive assertiveness/aggression is something that has been referenced often during this recruitment. The staff will have to meet this challenge.
So knowing that we have Reddish and Bagley, would you have preferred Bagley reclass or no? I vote yes because I still think next years team can be a contender if we land a couple of recruits. This years team likely wasn't a major contender without Bagley. Jones, O'Connell, Reddish, Bagley, DeL would've been fun though.
A well ah don't you know about the verve? Everybody knows that verve is the word!Verve is the word.
FWIW, Jones averaged 19.3 points this EYBL season to Garland's 16.8 on a roughly equivalent team (along with doing a lot of other things better that would probably warrant more minutes as a freshman). The concern about his shooting is fair, although 80% FT% is an encouraging sign that he'll improve. But overall, it seems like you're underrating how good he's been as an overall offensive stud lately.
I don't think Garland is better than Jones. If Trent leaves, and they get Garland, Garland is starting at the two and Jones at the 1, not the other way around in my opinion. I stand by my prediction, Tre is a great player and excellent at running a team, but expecting him to be a big time scorer, I,E, the second scoring option, is a mistake. Tyus averaged 25+ when he played in the EYBL and was 4th in scoring in 2015 btw. I like Tre, but from what I've seen, he's not Tyus level offensively at the same stage.
I hate the fans that think every Duke recruit will be a superstar or every Duke team is a contender but I'm shocked at how negative this board is regarding Reddish and Bagley lol.
So knowing that we have Reddish and Bagley, would you have preferred Bagley reclass or no? I vote yes because I still think next years team can be a contender if we land a couple of recruits. This years team likely wasn't a major contender without Bagley. Jones, O'Connell, Reddish, Bagley, DeL would've been fun though.
I think you are conflating two distinct sentiments: (1) negative regarding Bagley with (2) far less positive than the media regarding Duke '17-18's outlook, even after accounting for a significant positive impact from Bagley.
Many on this board, including myself, are (2) rather than (1).
I completely understand the skepticism regarding Bagley's impact/fit on this team, but not the depiction of Reddish. Especially since there's obvious statistical indications of Reddish's elite scoring ability that can be seen from a mile a way.I hate the fans that think every Duke recruit will be a superstar or every Duke team is a contender but I'm shocked at how negative this board is regarding Reddish and Bagley lol.
“Cam is the most complete player I’ve ever seen. He has a chance to be one of the best to ever play the game” - Westtown High coach Seth Berger.
“Cam is the full package, he has a chance to be one of the best ever to play this game if he focuses on the important details of the game and competes. He’s going to school with great tradition that will only allow him to compete. He is a work in progress with a whole lot of talent” - Team Final coach Aaron Burt.
If you want a great defensive team then you may as well get off the OAD bandwagon. Teaching 18 year olds how to playdefense is difficult especially when they have one foot out the door. Kids are either going to already be great at defense or they aren't going to be at Duke most likely.I'm glad he's on this team. This is my final straw with a Coach K coached defense. If he can't produce a good one with the pieces in place to have a good defensive team, then we probably won't ever have one again with him coaching.