DurhamSon said:
Except we're hoping Meeks chooses us and, furthermore, doesn't hold a 3 hour press conference for his announcement...
UNC Recruiting
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Except we're hoping Meeks chooses us and, furthermore, doesn't hold a 3 hour press conference for his announcement...
Roy will always get big men and actually develop them
He will also always get PGs, but not necessarily develop them, so he needs to choose correctly of the top tier kids
He has never once developed a Wing, so any kids he gets at that position will just want to be part of carolina lore and need to develop themselves.
He will also always get PGs, but not necessarily develop them, so he needs to choose correctly of the top tier kids
He has never once developed a Wing, so any kids he gets at that position will just want to be part of carolina lore and need to develop themselves.
NOD said:
Roy should keep recruiting slow point guards thinking that every one of them will be Kendall Marshall.
FoolishTarHeel said:
FWIW, I've heard some of the same rhetoric when it comes to "Developing" players. Supposedly Randle had pointed that out as well as the Parker camp. I think Roy was a top 3 recruiter but Barnes hurt his stock a little in that regard. I also think outsiders are starting to really see that he just wants to play up and down and the post is option A, B, and C regardless of talent level. When he's able to get the guys he wants to run this style of play unc is straight lethal. However, he doesn't seem to be willing to adjust in regards to personnel. This year will show alot in regards to his actual coaching ability. Macadoo is a good player but he's not a dump it down low and let him go to work type of guy. Unc should shoot 20+ 3's a game next year imo. UK is just the hot commodity in recruiting right now and noone else is even coming close to what they're doing from a recruiting standpoint.
marleyboy4945 said:
I have to believe that other coaches have been using this in negative recruiting for a while, because I'm sure Roy's peers have known this for quite some time. IMO, this tactic just didn't have as much bite for many recruits until 2009-10 and until Barnes didn't pan out as All-World in college. Now I think it's probably easier for recruits and, more importantly, their parents/families to see this about Roy -- and go back and rethink what he has actually done in terms of development over the past 5+ seasons.
Things could get worse for UNC recruiting possibilities if Roy lays a coaching egg this coming season as he did in 2009-10 and not enough of our players make up for it by playing much better than expected (i.e., the latter happened in 2005-06 with Hansbrough, Noel, and R.Terry). Yes, this coming season UNC has the players to be a good perimeter-oriented team. No, I do not expect Roy to adjust a dern thing to take advantage of what he's got on the perimeter. We still won't see any semblance of a halfcourt offense, set plays, screens or other configurations designed to get the perimeter players good shots or room to slash, etc.
This all said, I don't know how to quantify any recent hits to Roy's recruiting...especially because, as has been touched on above, Calipari is a major direct (taking players we may have otherwise gotten) and indirect (leads to much fiercer competition for the top players that he doesn't get) cause for our recent recruiting troubles.
cameron06 said:
Doesn't seem to keep them away from UK, UCLA, or Baylor. Of course, all they have to do is explain to the kids that it will be, at minimum, ten years before the NCAA gets around to investigating anything. They're gold.
cameron06 said:
Honestly, I doubt this is having much of an effect, except maybe for some of the very top recruits whose parents care about academics. Then this could be something that other coaches could emphasize in any "negative" recruiting.
cameron06 said:
His difficulties getting the top 10 types started before the shit hit the fan on these academic issues. And it magically coincided with Calipari going to UK. I guess it could conceivably play a role in the near future for the rare top-ranked player who has an incredibly academically-focused parent,but the vast majority of the top kids these days want the following:
1) to play a lot immediately, and have the option of going really early
2) to have freedom as players
3) to develop flexibility
4) to be successful in the NBA
5) to be at the 'cool' place
Roy's track record for the above is not stellar (and that's being kind), and the young shit-talkers are pounding them on this. Add to that the fact that he is old, and the momentum is swinging strongly against him.
Think about it -- who are the 'hot' coaches for recruiting of late? Miller, Calipari, Drew, Gottfried. All young guys. Kids wanna be cool, and they see playing for schools much more as playing for coaches rather than the schools. In that kind of scenario, the guys that will end up going to UNC that are highly-ranked are kids are gonna have to be like Hicks (who is a lifelong, die-hard UNC fan and a local) and HB rather than the usual top kids. It's an easy narrative for these coaches to just say 'that old man's time has passed, and his system is antiquated for the versatile player of today.'
K got a tremendous gift in his Olympic coaching gig. And, EVEN DESPITE THAT, is still getting hammered on the recruiting trail as an 'old man.'
FoolishTarHeel said:
In the end, how many Top 25 kids in a year really care about academics? Two, three? Even the highest level players - as in Top 10 - who go into it believing academics are important ultimately seem to wind up at a UK or a UCLA. And really, they're good academic schools, if you should be inclined to do more than just pretend to be a student. But as these kids reps grow and they climb to the top of their class rankings, they and their families usually come to the realization that college is just a one year layover on their trip to becoming millionaires. That's how a kid like Poythrees goes from very seriously considering Vanderbilt, to becoming another cog in the UK basketball wheel.
Have no doubt -- Roy is trying to adjust. That's why he:
1) added Hubert as his new recruiting guy
2) is focusing his efforts MUCH more on NC kids like the Martin twins
3) is floating this total BS about coaching 10 more yrs.
But his greatest gift in recruiting in the past -- to appeal to parents -- is waning. When a guy goes from a peer/ father figure to a folksy grandfather figure (that is played up by his competitors), he has to realize that all he can do is the 3 moves above. I expect him to focus big-time on NC players in the future. And we should all be incredibly thankful that Roy burned his bridges with D-One.
1) added Hubert as his new recruiting guy
2) is focusing his efforts MUCH more on NC kids like the Martin twins
3) is floating this total BS about coaching 10 more yrs.
But his greatest gift in recruiting in the past -- to appeal to parents -- is waning. When a guy goes from a peer/ father figure to a folksy grandfather figure (that is played up by his competitors), he has to realize that all he can do is the 3 moves above. I expect him to focus big-time on NC players in the future. And we should all be incredibly thankful that Roy burned his bridges with D-One.
I think the fact that top-10, and especially top-5 guys, wind up stuck in college at UNC far longer than any other program AND don't make much of an impact in the league after that finally has caught up with them. UNC RULED recruiting from 2004-2010 at a level close to what Cal does now. Difference is, a lot of that hyped talent seemed to take years to properly acclimate to the college game and many underperformed relative to lower ranked peers. Plus the posterboy of the era was Hansbrough, who is like their JJ in terms of image amongst top recruits.