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DukeNukem05 said:
The problem to me isn't overbooking, but rather removing someone who has been seated in favor of some United employees. The time to give vouchers, etc, is before boarding finishes.
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^^ This on both counts.

There's a pretty significant difference between "overbooking" and "we need the seats for employees."

Whatever extra they could've offered to get 4 to give up their seats......I dunno, a mere $1600 more to offer each person $1200 instead of $800? Anything would've been much more worth it to them rather than this fallout.
 
Pantone287 said:
While I agree that this will be a disaster for United and that the apology for "overbooking" was incredibly tone-deaf... WTF were they supposed to do?

I fail to see how anyone but the passenger did anything wrong here, unless people are just deciding to be enraged at the entirely legal concept of overbooking itself all of a sudden.
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Overbooking happens. We all know that. I've flown fairly frequently, and I have never heard of asking passengers to give up their seats once they were aboard and seated.

The passenger is a doctor who had to tend to patients on Monday morning. That's an entirely reasonable reason to object to giving up his seat. Was he pitching a childish fit about it? I don't know, because we don't have any footage to that effect. Were United's next steps here as reasonable? Maybe that'll help you overcome this failure to see how anyone but the passenger did anything wrong.
 
It's never really cash compensation though, is it? Usually shitty vouchers with all sorts of strings attached and expiration dates.
 
dkst0426 said:
The passenger is a doctor who had to tend to patients on Monday morning. That's an entirely reasonable reason to object to giving up his seat. Was he pitching a childish fit about it? I don't know, because we don't have any footage to that effect. Were United's next steps here as reasonable? Maybe that'll help you overcome this failure to see how anyone but the passenger did anything wrong.
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I hadn't read that it wasn't just overbooked, it was making room for United employees. That's a retarded move. SM, not that it matters, but I think they were offering $800 + hotel per passenger, not total.

In any case, United is allowed to bump passengers, even if they do so in a dumb way. Whether you agree with that policy or not, you accept it whenever you buy a ticket. If you refuse to leave the plane if they bump you, you're trespassing on private property. If you refuse to leave said property, the property owner is justified in calling the authorities, yes. If you still refuse to leave when they authorities arrive, you're going to get removed by them. I don't see what is so shocking about that.

Also, I'll be interested to see what comes out about the victim. Based on his primal screech when the cops first grabbed him, to his running down the aisle chanting "I have to go home" with his ass hanging out once he got back on the plane, to him then saying "please kill me, just kill me" repeatedly while again refusing to leave with the cops, he sure didn't seem like a mentally stable person.
 
This is from old TDD:

JeffreyStuart wrote:
SportsFan2798 wrote:
The guy should've just got off the plane. If you need to be with patients the next day then get a plane a day early. Anyone who flies frequently especially for business knows that a flight is not a guaranteed thing. You are paying to get from A to B, but not paying to get from A to B on time.
I fly on a weekly basis for work and I've had to stay an extra day a few times. I've had flights delayed more than half a day more times than I can count. I would never fly in for a wedding the day before or fly in for something as important as a surgical operation the day before. If he did that, it's on him.
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You are TOTALLY CLUELESS about the Department of Transportation regulations and I suggest you educate yourself before you continue to look stupid.

First of all, overbooking refers to oversold flights, not to bumping passengers for airline crew on standby. If the crew was NOT also booked on the flight during the same check-in window as the man in the video, they broke the law. This may be why the Department of Transportation has already opened a federal investigation into the incident.

Second, bumping passengers has to happen "At the check-in or boarding area" per federal regulations. You can't do it on the plane. That is against federal regulation Read the federal rules here. Read Rule 21 of the Contract of Carriage which describes when you can take someone out of their seat. Hint: oversold flight is not one of the reasons.

Finally, the security who removed the man were NOT air marshals. I don't know why you keep saying that. They were Chicago Department of Aviation security officers. And one of them has already been suspended. Why? Because he followed an unlawful order from an airline. Aviation officers are NOT Federal Air Marshals and if you had a clue about aviation you would know the difference.
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Not to shamelessly plug my own tweet, but rather than post two separate ones:

 
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The lawyers of Reddit seem to generally agree that this is not a clear cut case either way and anyone who says it's 100% for United or 100% for the guy is an idiot.

Based on common sense, I would hope our laws don't allow people to use whatever force necessary short of deadly force to remove me from a seat I paid for through a contract with the owner, while I am doing nothing to disturb anyone, and leave my wife behind. That just feels wrong.

He should get a few million to smile on camera and say United treated him fairly. The longer it's drawn out, the longer he's subject to public embarrassment he never wanted.
 
United stock is down about 2% more than the rest of the industry today. Good reason to believe this incident was the primary driver for United losing $500 million in value over normal market movement. $500 million instead of sending one remaining employee on a 5-hour car ride to where he needed to be. What a botch.
 
There were apparently three explosions outside of the Borussia Dortmund bus today, prior to their Champions League match vs Monaco. Apparently one injury. Match postponed until tomorrow. Really curious to see who was responsible for this one.
 
JohaadDBC said:
There were apparently three explosions outside of the Borussia Dortmund bus today, prior to their Champions League match vs Monaco. Apparently one injury. Match postponed until tomorrow. Really curious to see who was responsible for this one.
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My money is on UK fans
 
JohaadDBC said:
There were apparently three explosions outside of the Borussia Dortmund bus today, prior to their Champions League match vs Monaco. Apparently one injury. Match postponed until tomorrow. Really curious to see who was responsible for this one.
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Mexican fans trying to sabotage Pulisic.

But seriously, I think we all know where this is heading.
 
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