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As a leftist, I'm just glad that it's the centrists running. That way I won't hear the same "but Nader" bullshit that I've heard for 20 years since that election was stolen.
 
I think there is enough lead time here that anyone with half a brain can figure out that you shouldn’t vote by mail. Elections are run by the states, not the federal government, and administered by local officials and volunteers. With very few exceptions, you are allowed to vote by going to your local polling place and casting a ballot. Which I suggest people do.
 
Sure, but this still shouldn't be happening and people shouldn't be forced to vote in person if they don't have to. As a NC resident, I have the right to vote by mail with no excuse. My ballot should count if I mail it prior to the deadline.
 
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Sure, but this still shouldn't be happening and people shouldn't be forced to vote in person if they don't have to. As a NC resident, I have the right to vote by mail with no excuse. My ballot should count if I mail it prior to the deadline.
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PS. I will be dropping off my ballot because I can. Not everyone can.
 
Also, the entire states of WA and CO (at least) vote by mail and have for years.
 


First Italian American major party candidate. Historic.

Also no one is even pretending that Biden would serve more than one term; usually there's a media courtesy of waiting until after the midterms. Shouldn't allow anyone over the age of 65 to run for federal office.
 
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Didn't Biden say he would only run for one term? If he's wins and is alive, I think he'll run again, though.
 


They’re going to raise record amounts to convince more people to vote for them via a mail system that won’t exist lol.
 


If 538 doesn't get it when it comes to mail-in vs. in-person, no one in the mainstream will.

Trump at +135 odds (43% implied probability) to win at sportsbooks right now is not good enough value based on the polling, even when assuming some tolerated level of corruption, but is closer to his true odds than the 5-15% from most non-538 pollsters.
 
I would understand enthusiasm for online voting, though it's not quite ready. But regular mail? I ordered stamps this spring as a sort of precaution. It took them a month to arrive.
 


This is kinda where I am with this whole issue. The bottom line is that, if the election were held today, Biden voters would be disproportionately negatively affected by mail issues. However, if every voter had the mindset to vote in person if at all possible or if at all reasonable in light of COVID-19 and individual risk level, the turnout and effect on each side's voters should be something close to a wash, based on the general discrepancies in ages, mobility, resources, susceptibility to COVID and importance placed on COVID risk. Some of those factors go against Biden, others against Trump, and I think it generally evens out so that the voting would not be skewed by mail problems.

What it comes down to is Democratic messaging to change their voters' mindset on mail vs. in person/ballot box. The party and the mainstream media are failing thus far, but this story seems to be picking up more than enough steam to make the "rigging" effect a wash by November. Ultimately, if Democrats are so much smarter than Republicans, as Democrats believe to be the case, Biden should win in a landslide. I'm just not sure that's true when it comes to political prowess. It's almost certainly not true in most elections, but when the Republican candidate is historically disfavored and repulsive to so much of the population, Democrats should be able to figure it out; if not now, then never.
 


Some states anticipate 10 times the normal volume of election mail. Six states and D.C. received warnings that ballots could be delayed for a narrow set of voters. But the Postal Service gave 40 others — including the key battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida — more-serious warnings that their long-standing deadlines for requesting, returning or counting ballots were “incongruous” with mail service and that voters who send ballots in close to those deadlines may become disenfranchised.
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Pennsylvania election officials cited its letter late Thursday in asking the state’s Supreme Court for permission to count ballots delivered three days after Election Day. But deadlines in many other states have not been or cannot be adjustedwith just weeks remaining before the first absentee ballots hit the mail stream. More than 60 lawsuits in at least two dozen states over the mechanics of mail-in voting are wending their way through the courts.
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Have no idea if related, but a routine delivery by mail I get from my bank that usually takes 3-5 days took... 21 days to arrive. I'm not sure if it's bulk or first class but it was still very odd
 
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